Discussion and Logic (and lack thereof)

Not certain what "witnessing" was truly being accomplished at a pub/bar. Intellectual debates will never end well. The conversation should always be turned to personal examination from the point of conscience. Do you all follow the Law (Ten Commandments)? If not, you all need to start from that point. From admission of being sinners it leads to the Gospel. The challenge is that people do not see themselves as sinners (or that bad of a sinner) when the Bible states "all have sinned and fallen short". Jesus did not come to discuss theology but to save sinners. That is and always will be the starting point to understanding God and the Gospel. Judgement Day will be just that - Judgement of sin, not of theology. The Bible is the history book of creation, fallen man, sin, forgiveness and how it will end. Very concise. I would encourage you to do more examining of what you truly believe, open the Word and start from there.

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Hello,

Ray Gentry, I was looking at your post and thinking. Most people that don't know God simply just have not met or understood Him yet and don't want to look or feel stupid. It's important to get to the heart of the matter. It's not why the world doesn't choose to believe that matters or what the world says about Christ, it is what that particular person's reason is that he/she does not believe or accept the Gospel. The rest of the conversation is a wall to avoid dealing with this matter. You should always (every single time regarding every individual person/group) ask the Holy Spirit to lead and guide you on what you should say, do, etc. It's always different. God Bless you for your heart and attempt to reach others who desperately need Salvation before they die.

As for me, I heard God's voice at eight years old when He called me into the ministry. I've also heard His voice several times since and seen several miracles. It's not possible to convince me that God does not exist. I'd have better luck trying to convince you that you never had a great, great grandmother, lol.

Here's some basic witnessing ammo you may already know:
Atheist-does not believe in a higher power
Agnostic-does believe in a higher power, but is not sure it is God.

I haven't talked to any 'atheist' for more than five minutes who didn't admit that he/she was actually agnostic. The fact (logic) is, that out of 100% of knowledge in the universe, howuch do you think you have. Some people think I'm pretty smart (4.0, organized, etc,), but I would say that I may have .01% when you consider the amount of knowledge. How far is this star from that star-height, breadth, depth? I know that scientists can't create a piece of dirt for anything and if you could just make a machine that turns grass into milk (like the cow does), you'd be an instant billionaire. Is the cow smart? No, but his creator is brilliant. There are 40 billion nerve cells in the human eye alone. Do I believe an architect designed us and creation, most definitely. Most atheists realize very quick they're actually agnostic.

Now they need to understand that God is the creator. They need to know that although God is the creator, he desires a relationship with each and every person, including them. They also need to know about Adam and Eve and how because of them every person is born into sin and that the wages of sin is death. Thank God for His plan to send His only son Jesus to voluntarily give His sinless life on the cross for our sins, that we can be forgiven. Romans 8:9,10

Some people think they know God though they've never accepted Jesus. 1 John 2:23 shows that this is not possible, and if someone doesn't know that Jesus is the son of God, than they do not know Jesus. Personally, It was not hard for me to believe, especially with all the things I had seen and heard. As for your friend that considers himself an unbeliever because of logic, sadly it will not be an acceptable excuse. Romans 1:18-20 (I typically use the KJV for everything just so you know) explains that because of creation, men are without excuse. Another bit of logic is that we must die, it's coming sooner or later, Heaven or Hell, just as the Bible says. Hell is every bit of bad as the Bible describes.

Something else interesting is the phenomena of the Bible. It is not just merely written by men; it is God-breathed (2 Timothy 3:16) and from the outside it may seem that it contradicts itself at times, but the more and more you study it, the more you see how wonderfully complements itself. You can almost always find at least three Scripture ref's for any valid point. I can tell one person a sentence to pass along through ten people. It's always a word or two different or a different sentence altogether. One extreme phenomena of the Bible is that it was written over a time period of about 1600 years (1500 BC-100AD (approx, some people speculate on the dates of some books)) and it is remarkably accurate!! It is 98% with the 2% being slight word variations (nothing doctrinal). Now, that's an outstanding agreement between the 66 books that were written over a time span of approx 1600 years when I can't accurately pass a sentence across a room!

The real point is that everyone needs to come to know God and have a very personal relationship with him where they talk to Him all the time and read His word. All the other facts they can really explore later if they want, but they need that personal relationship with God. If they've never had it, they need it more than anything. Hope this information is useful to you or someone else. Thanks also to all the other people who helped answer by contributing your advice. God be with you all. (Hopefully I didn't make too many mistakes typing this in on my phone)

Glory to God in the Highest,

Rome

Hello,

Ray Gentry, I was looking at your post and thinking. Most people that don't know God simply just have not met or understood Him yet and don't want to look or feel stupid. It's important to get to the heart of the matter. It's not why the world doesn't choose to believe that matters or what the world says about Christ, it is what that particular person's reason is that he/she does not believe or accept the Gospel. The rest of the conversation is a wall to avoid dealing with this matter. You should always (every single time regarding every individual person/group) ask the Holy Spirit to lead and guide you on what you should say, do, etc. It's always different. God Bless you for your heart and attempt to reach others who desperately need Salvation before they die.

As for me, I heard God's voice at eight years old when He called me into the ministry. I've also heard His voice several times since and seen several miracles. It's not possible to convince me that God does not exist. I'd have better luck trying to convince you that you never had a great, great grandmother, lol.

Here's some basic witnessing ammo you may already know:
Atheist-does not believe in a higher power
Agnostic-does believe in a higher power, but is not sure it is God.

I haven't talked to any 'atheist' for more than five minutes who didn't admit that he/she was actually agnostic. The fact (logic) is, that out of 100% of knowledge in the universe, howuch do you think you have. Some people think I'm pretty smart (4.0, organized, etc,), but I would say that I may have .01% when you consider the amount of knowledge. How far is this star from that star-height, breadth, depth? I know that scientists can't create a piece of dirt for anything and if you could just make a machine that turns grass into milk (like the cow does), you'd be an instant billionaire. Is the cow smart? No, but his creator is brilliant. There are 40 billion nerve cells in the human eye alone. Do I believe an architect designed us and creation, most definitely. Most atheists realize very quick they're actually agnostic.

Now they need to understand that God is the creator. They need to know that although God is the creator, he desires a relationship with each and every person, including them. They also need to know about Adam and Eve and how because of them every person is born into sin and that the wages of sin is death. Thank God for His plan to send His only son Jesus to voluntarily give His sinless life on the cross for our sins, that we can be forgiven. Romans 8:9,10

Some people think they know God though they've never accepted Jesus. 1 John 2:23 shows that this is not possible, and if someone doesn't know that Jesus is the son of God, than they do not know Jesus. Personally, It was not hard for me to believe, especially with all the things I had seen and heard. As for your friend that considers himself an unbeliever because of logic, sadly it will not be an acceptable excuse. Romans 1:18-20 (I typically use the KJV for everything just so you know) explains that because of creation, men are without excuse. Another bit of logic is that we must die, it's coming sooner or later, Heaven or Hell, just as the Bible says. Hell is every bit of bad as the Bible describes.

Something else interesting is the phenomena of the Bible. It is not just merely written by men; it is God-breathed (2 Timothy 3:16) and from the outside it may seem that it contradicts itself at times, but the more and more you study it, the more you see how wonderfully complements itself. You can almost always find at least three Scripture ref's for any valid point. I can tell one person a sentence to pass along through ten people. It's always a word or two different or a different sentence altogether. One extreme phenomena of the Bible is that it was written over a time period of about 1600 years (1500 BC-100AD (approx, some people speculate on the dates of some books)) and it is remarkably accurate!! It is 98% with the 2% being slight word variations (nothing doctrinal). Now, that's an outstanding agreement between the 66 books that were written over a time span of approx 1600 years when I can't accurately pass a sentence across a room!

The real point is that everyone needs to come to know God and have a very personal relationship with him where they talk to Him all the time and read His word. All the other facts they can really explore later if they want, but they need that personal relationship with God. If they've never had it, they need it more than anything. Hope this information is useful to you or someone else. Thanks also to all the other people who helped answer by contributing your advice. God be with you all. (Hopefully I didn't make too many mistakes typing this in on my phone)

Glory to God in the Highest,

Rome

I want to wish you good luck and all the best